Cb speed over 94 really doesn’t matter.
Quote from lacedup18 >> Quote from TheBigNicQC >> Depends what defense you play, for me 96 speed wouldn't cut it because I put a corner at fs to man up on crossing routes so if he's slow he's getting toasted. If you play a cover 3 and just protect the sticks you won't get beat on a streak regardless of your speed
I use micacah Hyde at s for that. I’ve never been beat
you guys, there's a thread on MUTHEAD that has identified each statistical break-point where further progression in stats is irrelevant. In otherwords, if a QB has an accuracy rating of 90. There would be no on the field differences if let's say he had a 99. If a RB had a Elusive Rating of 95, and he had a 99. There would be no difference in performance.
Now obviously upgrading a player still has its benefits as other stats get brought up to the break-point. But that in my opinion is what makes 85 OVR teams just as difficult as 97 OVR teams, because some stats are near equivalant in their on the field performance.
I have to agree, my Walls has better eye test coverage than Primetime or PO Jones even though he is a few speed points slower. I learned not to press often though because of Primetime and unless it's a short out they all have better coverage. Play rec and man/zone do more for me than speed.
Reading through this thread I wanted to comment on this one, I’m not sure about plays that beat press coverage, it’s more about the math and the odds the player beats the coverage. My top three have 99 press and size doesn’t matter. I’ve tested for hours it seems that it’s just about what the game decides will happen, your press trait vs their beat press trait. Doesn’t matter the play
Quote from iSuNkIZt >> Quote from TheBigNicQC >> Depends what defense you play, for me 96 speed wouldn't cut it because I put a corner at fs to man up on crossing routes so if he's slow he's getting toasted. If you play a cover 3 and just protect the sticks you won't get beat on a streak regardless of your speed
Yep cover 3 protect the sticks won't get beat regardless
I can add that I've been using Casey with 96 speed and have no problem beating speed plays against 99 speed WR. Even man coverage vs. streaks. The play call and route combinations matter much more.
Quote from TheBigNicQC >> Depends what defense you play, for me 96 speed wouldn't cut it because I put a corner at fs to man up on crossing routes so if he's slow he's getting toasted. If you play a cover 3 and just protect the sticks you won't get beat on a streak regardless of your speed
Yep cover 3 protect the sticks won't get beat regardless
I’ve used full PU Hayward all year and I’ve never gotten burnt. Even now with all these 99 speed players he’s got 96 speed for me and still hold his own. He will however give up a jumpball from time to time to a taller guy like Calvin or Moss but it’s expected with his height and jump.
Quote from TheBigNicQC >> Depends what defense you play, for me 96 speed wouldn't cut it because I put a corner at fs to man up on crossing routes so if he's slow he's getting toasted. If you play a cover 3 and just protect the sticks you won't get beat on a streak regardless of your speed
I use micacah Hyde at s for that. I’ve never been beat
Depends what defense you play, for me 96 speed wouldn't cut it because I put a corner at fs to man up on crossing routes so if he's slow he's getting toasted. If you play a cover 3 and just protect the sticks you won't get beat on a streak regardless of your speed
Quote from Nikelz81 >> 99 speed moss would like to disagree
All of my corners would like a word with 99 spd moss
Quote from mvandor >> Quote from BigMeanPossum >> I wondered how big of a difference there was. I thought GutFoxx did a test and howed 99 beats 95-98 by a full yard over 20 or 40 yard#, can’t remember specifics.
He did and speed DOES matter in a straight line test of two WR's running go routes as he ran.
However, with DB's obviously length of the field, coverages, etc. factor in. If you are throwing go routes from your 20 with a strong armed, accurate QB, I would think there is a chance at beating a Hayward deep on that route. But when a CB is giving 10 yards and back peddaling from the get-go it gets much tougher even if he has a 4-5 SPD handicap.
Quote from BigMeanPossum >> I wondered how big of a difference there was. I thought GutFoxx did a test and howed 99 beats 95-98 by a full yard over 20 or 40 yard#, can’t remember specifics.
He did and speed DOES matter in a straight line test of two WR's running go routes as he ran.
However, with DB's obviously length of the field, coverages, etc. factor in. If you are throwing go routes from your 20 with a strong armed, accurate QB, I would think there is a chance at beating a Hayward deep on that route. But when a CB is giving 10 yards and back peddaling from the get-go it gets much tougher even if he has a 4-5 SPD handicap.
Quote from slapstick22 >> Quote from lacedup18 >> We labbed a bit, it’s my 93 speed casey Hayward vs a 97 speed ul Calvin Johnson. Sure, it’s 2 under 99,but it’s 93 on the other end. Plus low jumping and height. Anyway first 3 are cover 3 and the second two are man. 93 speed can swat. NO WAY on earth will a 96 speed ntl etc, get burned.
Quote from lacedup18 >> We labbed a bit, it’s my 93 speed casey Hayward vs a 97 speed ul Calvin Johnson. Sure, it’s 2 under 99,but it’s 93 on the other end. Plus low jumping and height. Anyway first 3 are cover 3 and the second two are man. 93 speed can swat. NO WAY on earth will a 96 speed ntl etc, get burned.
https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/baby-kern-ab/video/72085957 https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/baby-kern-ab/video/72085999
We labbed a bit, it’s my 93 speed casey Hayward vs a 97 speed ul Calvin Johnson. Sure, it’s 2 under 99,but it’s 93 on the other end. Plus low jumping and height. Anyway first 3 are cover 3 and the second two are man. 93 speed can swat. NO WAY on earth will a 96 speed ntl etc, get burned.
https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/baby-kern-ab/video/72085957 https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/baby-kern-ab/video/72085999 https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/baby-kern-ab/video/72086043
Man https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/baby-kern-ab/video/72085910 https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/baby-kern-ab/video/72085932
Quote from SoulBrutha305 >> You need to learn about real football, OP.
If you're not pressing, then that's a normal real life result for cover3. Even in hs, heavy cover 3 teams hide their corners. I coached a kid who ran a 5.0 in the 40 and he gave up 2 passes all year in heavy cover 3 sheme. One was to a WR that ended up starting at Louisville on a pump and go, and the other is Allen Hurns from the cowboys. Same thing at any level. It's till tough on a press and bail technique. Cover 3 isn't supposed to get beat over the top, because your corner is basically a safety. Cover 3 is supposed to give up the underneath.
You should try straight man2man, with no pass rush. Run different routes with different WRs and check at different points if there's more separation between the 94 speed wrs and the 99. Not if he catches it better, just separation.
You need to learn about real football, OP.
If you're not pressing, then that's a normal real life result for cover3. Even in hs, heavy cover 3 teams hide their corners. I coached a kid who ran a 5.0 in the 40 and he gave up 2 passes all year in heavy cover 3 sheme. One was to a WR that ended up starting at Louisville on a pump and go, and the other is Allen Hurns from the cowboys. Same thing at any level. It's till tough on a press and bail technique. Cover 3 isn't supposed to get beat over the top, because your corner is basically a safety. Cover 3 is supposed to give up the underneath.
You should try straight man2man, with no pass rush. Run different routes with different WRs and check at different points if there's more separation between the 94 speed wrs and the 99. Not if he catches it better, just separation.
One thing to remember is adjusting the zones properly can mitigate getting burnt. What newer players want to do is play Cover 3 Base Align and press because it defends the middle and sideline to some extent stock or to send an exotic blitz. However if you adjust your Cover 3 or Cover 2 correctly you wont get burnt unless you are not adjusting to beaters.
today me and a friend tested 99 speed tyreek vs p.u Casey Hayward end unless you beat the play call it doesn’t matter. We called everything, nothing works. Only coverage beaters, but they’d work on a 99 speed cb too. Try it, put tyreek on a streak call cover 3 and you can’t bomb it on Casey.