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Is throw power the only QB stat that matters?

As soon as Vick dropped, I saw a lot of people specifically pointing out his throw power. Is that truly all that matters?

If that’s the case, Herbert’s 81 with 91 THP, Allen’s 78 with 89 THP, and Trubisky’s 86 with 89 THP, all have more throw power than Mahomes. And Herbert is tied with the top cards of Marino & Rodgers with 91 throw power. https://www.muthead.com/21/players/?position__in=1&show_rating=throw_power&sort_by=-throw_power

And not that I’m making a case for everyone to use Trubisky’s card, but he has 89 THP and 82 SPD. Only Vick meets both of those together. https://www.muthead.com/21/players/?positionin=1&show_rating=throw_power&sort_by=-throw_power&speedgte=82

All told, Trubisky can get to 94 THP and 86 Speed.

atitsthevito

Trubisky is the goat budget QB

sox806

The more you analyze and dissect the game the more you realize it sucks. I’m gonna throw my blinders on for this topic.

ThermonuclearDud

Eh, yes, but it's once you get above a level of total budget cards.

The thresholds for throw accuracy were lowered this year but cards like Herbert and Trubisky are still below them. What it means is basically the accuracy of every QB over about OVR 85+ is functionally the same.

chadiakris

Don't think so. Lamar sailed many more throws than Dak has. Namely, Dak hits all the thresholds, while Lamar misses medium and deep accuracies.

ThermonuclearDud

So few throws are missed overall I don't think anecdotal evidence is really worth much at all; you can't really build up a valid sample size without hundreds of games with each and recording each missed throw that wasn't inaccurate/under pressure and the distance of each.

chadiakris

What you're saying is literally anecdotal as well without any valid substantiation. You're just stating an opinion as fact.

Playing WL with Dak in one weekend vs. Lamar in a weekend, there's a noticeable difference.

xxblacknyellowxx

There is accuracy thresholds as well. Vick can hit either deep threshold of 90 or mid threshold of 85 depending on how you chem him up. It essentially makes him have way less inaccurate passes. Other factors are considered as well. More than likely the lower OVRs have low carry stats meaning even tho they fast they will fumble more than Vick.

skiptomylou

Fumbling more than Vick? That's impossible.

xxblacknyellowxx

Hahaha. Knock on wood I haven't had too many issues but I don't run too much with him. Fatigue plays a huge part in fumbles I noticed after the whole bench press thing kept WRs low stamina. So maybe thats part of it or I been lucky time will tell. Although a Big Ben with HRM would make me honestly weigh my options about switching.

ThermonuclearDud

1) Thresholds are different this year than last year.

2) Difference being below or above them vastly less than last year.

So, for example, difference between, say 82 and 92 Deep or Medium Accuracy is basically so little as to not be noticeable.

There are many stats now in Madden that really don't matter; people that spent coin to have high numbers for these stats on their cards will really, really, really fight the idea they don't matter and will try to fool themselves that they do.

xxblacknyellowxx

I think really we could argue both ways that the stats don't matter or not and trick yourself into believing one way or the other.

I feel like with Lamar every so many passes I would eventually get an Accurate pass reading on the bottom but the pass would be out of reach for my WR esp if I would try to change the placement of the ball with the stick. After switching to Vick I don't notice this nearly as much and when it does happen its not to the level of Lamar's misses.

I also put Play Fake on Vick instead of Go Deep so he hits 85 mid acc and I could get diff WRs to 90 MRR to see if they got more seperation on their cuts like corner routes. Its def noticeable there but its totally different stat which you did mention some matter. Thresholds may not be as important for accuracy as they have been in the past but Lamar 100% overthrew or missed receivers downfield much more often Vick.

nicksr84

O.saw a thread about it on twitter earlier..didn't someone on here say they won something like 18 WL games with 78 josh Allen?

Mattyawesome

I can see that happening and he does have goo throw power. But really if you’re handing off 95% of the plays and have a stacked man defense with benchpress what do you need a quarterback for?

chadiakris

Yeah, it's not too surprising, if the player is good. Scheme with speedy players can win. Dubby for the first two weeks of WL was running a NMS team of 78-80 OVR and won at least 16 games each week.

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Reepicheepmouse

yeah its hard to say maybe that player is good enough to win with not the best possible players

nicksr84

Ye I saw that