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4-3/46 defense

I have been running a 3-4 for most of my madden career in most every game modes. I just played draft champs and I picked the Seahawks for my playbooks since I use their offense often but they had a 4-3 playbook with dime, dollar, and a 46. I enjoyed playing with that defense and I am tempted to switch to a 4-3 pb with 46 normal. What type of players or what players specifically should I look for? I have a decent amount of coins stocked up that I can use and some 3-4 players I can sell.

B4SZ0G3P

how about 2 high str DT in 4-3? for example Vita Vea and Heyward?

C7Susb9

Imo the best options for SS and CB’s are usually Sean’s taylor (oop), Lott, Mel Blount, Night Train Lane, Landon collins, Ramsey, Brian Dawkins, etc. one of my favorite things about running 46speed is putting Sean taylor at CB4 and usering him

matthewbacon14

Thank you everyone for your help!

matthewbacon14

I think at this point I'm going to stay with a 4-3 playbook with 46 normal in it. I agree last year was hard to experiment with different playbooks with the alternate playbooks coming out later. I'm thankful they released them earlier this time around,

The_Deuce

Using a 46 Normal out of a tea specific 4-3 playbook is pretty routine and the suggestions given thus far are solid.  If you plan on spending 40K to get the 46 Defense Playbook you will need to build around a Safety (Set as SS) who will be in the box and act like a hybrid linebacker/safety.  Ronnie Lott would be my prototype, but a Sean Taylor card hits hard enough to serve the purpose.  In the 46 book he'll be be in the box for the 46 Normal, 3-4 Bear, 46 Bear, and 46 Bear Under.  In a 4-3 book with 46 Normal formation (JAX, Min, etc) he'll play in the box only for the 46 normal and play as a SS for all other sets.  Remember, the 46 Defense was named specifically for the jersey number of Bears SS Doug Plank who played the hybrid role for Buddy Ryan...so that legendary 1985 Bears Defense was built around the SS and not Mike Singletary or William 'The Refrigerator" Perry.

I've tried the 46 playbook in past years, but by the time the playbook was introduced in years past the skill/spending gap was too great.  Last year the alt playbooks didn't hit MUT till week 11 and experimenting with a new style of D when everyone is working with offensive players from the Thanksgiving Promo just wasn't fun.  This year the Alt playbooks are in MUT early, so I think this might be my year to learn the wisdom of Buddy Ryan.

matthewbacon14

Quote from Htrad >> Quote from matthewbacon14 >> So with my current lineup:  https://www.muthead.com/19/team-builder/958274   who would you suggest I keep/sell to switch defenses? Also how would you suggest I set it up?

Lineup looks good I would change out your OLB and DE for more 4-3 type of guys  also you don't need 2nd MLB so you can keep or get rid of Jones, Clowney is a perfect DE but that's OOP do not know how you feel about that,

C7Susb9

Quote from The_Deuce >> Keep in mind that the 46 Defense playbook is..shall we say...very different from playbooks that are based on the 4-3.  I think you know this, but the title and opening comment are ambiguous.  To make a 46 playbook work you's need a special type of SS and a slightly different mentality than someone utilizing the 46 normal out of a 4-3 based book.

 ^^^ this is extremely important. Especially if you’re looking into utilizing the speed package out of 46Normal. For the 46 speed, in general, you’ll need a FS with excellent Zone and speed as he’s the only player back there. You’ll need a CB3, and SS1 that are excellent against the run. And your CB4 will likely be your user (along with MLB1), so choose wisely.

dylbertarenas

if you swap clowney and jones then I think you just need some new olbs, maybe like barr and myles jack

Htrad

Quote from matthewbacon14 >> So with my current lineup:  https://www.muthead.com/19/team-builder/958274   who would you suggest I keep/sell to switch defenses? Also how would you suggest I set it up?

Lineup looks good I would change out your OLB and DE for more 4-3 type of guys  also you don't need 2nd MLB so you can keep or get rid of Jones, Clowney is a perfect DE but that's OOP do not know how you feel about that, you can keep Clowney for RRDE specialist so you will see him on nickel & dime formations only

https://www.muthead.com/19/team-builder/965673 gave multiple options to see what I'm talking about as backups not to actually use as backups

matthewbacon14

Quote from docMavvie >> 3-4 and 4-3 use completely different players. 3-4 you need one NT that can stuff the run, 2 big boys at DE (usually slow and with high BKS), 2 MLB and 2 OLBs that can rush the passer (high BKS and PWM/FNM) 4-3 you need 2 DTs (you can keep the NT from your 3-4 scheme as DT2 and add a passrusher at DT1), 2 fast DEs with high PWM/FNM, 1 MLB (you can keep one of yours) and 2 high MCV/ZCV OLBs.

 I understand that part of it. My football knowledge is pretty decent so I understand the setup for the different defensive schems as far as a 3-4 and 4-3 but I wasn't sure how to swtich from a 3-4 to a scheme that includes a 4-3 with the use of a 46 at times. Do you have any advice on specific players I should sell form my current 3-4 defense and pick up that can work for both a 4-3 and 46?

matthewbacon14

Quote from The_Deuce >> Keep in mind that the 46 Defense playbook is..shall we say...very different from playbooks that are based on the 4-3.  I think you know this, but the title and opening comment are ambiguous.  To make a 46 playbook work you's need a special type of SS and a slightly different mentality than someone utilizing the 46 normal out of a 4-3 based book.

 Sorry for the ambiguity, I wasn't exactly sure how I wanted to go about asking my questions. I would like to use the 46 normal occasionally but I would like to switch to a 4-3 for the most part. I know what types of players you need to run a 4-3 and a vague idea of how to setup a 46. I know the 46 will use some slightly different players than the 4-3. Do you have any suggestions for how I should go about this adjustment?

The_Deuce

Keep in mind that the 46 Defense playbook is..shall we say...very different from playbooks that are based on the 4-3.  I think you know this, but the title and opening comment are ambiguous.  To make a 46 playbook work you's need a special type of SS and a slightly different mentality than someone utilizing the 46 normal out of a 4-3 based book.

matthewbacon14

So with my current lineup:  https://www.muthead.com/19/team-builder/958274   who would you suggest I keep/sell to switch defenses? Also how would you suggest I set it up?

Htrad

I use a 3-4 setup with the exception of needing 2 big body DT's instead of just 1 also I rarely use the 4-3 formation just the 46, Nickle and DIme formations With the new sub system it's great and easy setup when changing to Nickle or Dime pkgs using 3-4 players

matthewbacon14

I have been running a 3-4 for most of my madden career in most every game modes. I just played draft champs and I picked the Seahawks for my playbooks since I use their offense often but they had a 4-3 playbook with dime, dollar, and a 46. I enjoyed playing with that defense and I am tempted to switch to a 4-3 pb with 46 normal. What type of players or what players specifically should I look for? I have a decent amount of coins stocked up that I can use and some 3-4 players I can sell.